Twitterdom or Wisdom?

While attending a funeral recently I glanced up and down just my row to see several people Twittering and checking emails in the last few minutes prior to the beginning of the service.  It’s now common during sermons and seminars to see people with their heads down, busy passing on tidbits of information instantly.  This morning I read that one million people are following Ashton Kutcher on Twitter.  

I suggest that this massive addiction to information leads us away from wisdom, not toward it, creating what author Shane Hill calls “a permanent puberty of the mind.”  Recognize that information, knowledge and even intelligence do not necessarily lead to wisdom.  The overload of information in fact encourages the opposite of what creates wisdom – stillness, time, reflection and solitude.  With the internet, TV, email, FaceBook, Twitter and cell phones, there is no waiting.  There is no such thing as stillness or quiet personal reflection.  Meaningful experiences and the path toward wisdom can be diverted by constant information. 

I am not anti-technology.  I love having instant access to useful information.  But this is much like having a bowl of peanut M&Ms in front of me.  I tend to eat them just because they are there.  At some point I will have to remove myself from the bowl or my initial pleasure will turn to misery and sickness.  And I believe allowing a constant diet of unlimited information and data into our brain will also ultimately turn from being a useful treat to something that will cause our mental lives to become bloated and deprive us of the characteristics we desire most.  We have to decide when to push back from the table of information overload – where it leads to our emotional, social, philosophical, and psychological sickness rather than being a useful addition in our quest for wisdom.  I have made strategic decisions to not be on Facebook or use Twitter.  Not because they are bad but because I have to chose which tools that I can use effectively.  

Increasing the rate of information input to your brain may make you a candidate for Jeopardy but it probably has little to do with increasing spiritual characteristics like love, trust, compassion, faith, courage – and wisdom. 

Want to increase your wisdom?

  • Practice reflection, meditation and introspective thinking for 30 minutes each morning.  Many who allow constant input are keeping themselves in the shallow end of the wisdom pool.  Don’t be one of them.
  • Turn off the TV for at least two hours every evening
  • Read your email at set times during the day – perhaps once in the morning and once in the evening.  Don’t allow yourself to be interrupted with every new incoming message
  • Spend four hours on Saturday without your cell phone or computer
  • Plan one day a quarter on an “information fast.”  Get away from your computer, your cell phone, TV and the newspapers.  You’ll be amazed at how your creativity will increase – you may get the one idea that will change your future
  • Read one good non-fiction book each month.  Chose carefully from the wisdom of the ages.

Incidentally, according to a new Nielson report, 60% of Twitter users sign up and drop out after one month.  And I seriously doubt that following Ashton Kutcher is going to increase your wisdom.

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49 Responses to “Twitterdom or Wisdom?”

  1. John Albert Thomas Says:

    I guess we’re on the same wavelength. I just posted a blog entry about this issue last night.

  2. Crystal Peterson Says:

    Reflection, meditation, and introspective thinking….people still do those things?? 🙂 Seriously, this is a great post. I think our need to always have the latest technology, or to be one of the first (million) people to know the breaking news of the day, leads us to spending way too much time with some of these tools. I think, if used properly, both Twitter and Facebook can be useful but you need to go into both with a plan. For me, Facebook is a way to catch up with some family and friends that I don’t see all of the time. And I use Twitter for my professional relationships, to connect and interact with folks in the HR community and advertising professionals. Without a plan, there could be a lot of wasted time. With a plan, the information you receive through these tools could help you get out the of shallow end of the pool.

  3. Daniel R. Says:

    I try to take time go for a walk and use that time for reflection and meditation. I found myself more effective after those times. I am planning to go somewhere tomorrow for some reflection and meditation.

  4. Trey Says:

    Well said, Dan. In 1 Kings 3, God offered Solomon anything he wanted. Solomon didn’t ask to KNOW everything; he asked for WISDOM, and this pleased God.

  5. Julieanna aka "noboxes" Says:

    As I grew up in a sect that forbid technology, I wasn’t exposed to computers, cell phones, etc. until I was 32 years old (8 years ago, as I’m almost 40!). When I made the decision to leave my past in the past, I became a single mom with 2 children to support. I learned very fast that if I was going to survive, I needed to learn and understand the computer and other technology.

    Utilizing technology has enabled me to continue to homeschool my two children, while making a living from home. I have been through “myspace” (a ridiculous waste of time), “Facebook” (this was my only means for contacting other women who left the same sect that I had been a member of), and finally I chanced upon Twitter. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Twitter!

    Granted, I tend to look at life through a very different paradigm than most, but Twitter is NOT a “social” network (yes, I know they call it “social media”), it is, as the founders state, an INFORMATION network. I agree.

    True, you will occasionally run into “takers” rather than “givers”, but then, my 32 years of “solitude and meditation” taught me that you can find those kind of people anywhere.

    In my humble opinion, the success and happiness of a person directly correlates with their ability to remove the “glasses” they are wearing and change their paradigm.

    So, for all of you who are still wondering what “twitter” actually is,–look me up; I go by the handle “noboxes”.

  6. Kendra Says:

    Fantastic article, Dan. I totally agree. What great wisdom. Thanks again.

  7. Shannon Says:

    I couldn’t agree with you more! I am already following all the suggestions you made, except I am on Facebook and usually open it only to reply to a message someone has sent, or, to post something brief about something I’ve done or a thought to share, like “Happy Solstice” yesterday.

    I imagine I might use it to see what people are up to whom I am not much in contact with, but do not want to lose touch altogether.

    Great article, Dan . . .thanks!

  8. Ian Says:

    Spot on Dan. I think our minds are actually overcrowded with information, most of which we really do not need. I have tried an information fast after reading an article on CBN on the same and I found it revitalising. Its not easy though as we have come to believe that we cant do without these little gadgets,(cellphone,ipod,lamptop, etc), yes, even down here in Africa where we are supposed to be behind. Your article is a timely reminder

  9. Anne Says:

    Great article Dan. I agree that sometimes less is of everything that we think is necessary leasds us to more of what is really necessary. As Crystal syas , the key is to plan and Know exactly what you want from Twitter or Facebook. Julianna story fits this bill very well….again the key is knowing how much is too much like we do with on emails.

  10. Ava Warner Says:

    I have been thinking the same thing recently. In fact, I took this past Saturday off away from all technology and enjoy my niece’s birthday party—30 eleven year olds…quite interesting, enjoying them enjoying themselves.

    In His Service,

  11. itcouldonlybegod Says:

    Dan, this is a message for the younger generation Y’ers and the busy executives. They are ‘plugged in’ all the time with their cells, blackberry, facebook, etc.. they are always pre-occupied… and it is sometimes downright rude.

    My boss sits in the cubicle next to me and every now and again will talk my way and ask if i read the email just sent. NO – is what i say lots times. I have to concentrate on the task at hand instead of reading every email when the notification comes up!

  12. Steve Says:

    Actually twittering and FaceBook have bee some powerful communications tools for me. I am a pastor of a small but growing church. I use Twitter (through Twirl) not to tell the world when I eat, go to the bathroom, or have to scratch my head. But I use Twitter to post upcoming events and/or the results of those events on the front page of our website. It’s fantastic! Also since I am pastoring a small church I work a home-based, internet business for some extra income. Twitter works wonders to get a simple, short message to a large group of potential clients (followers) in just a few seconds. Again, twittering works wonders! I do agree that people go way overboard and miss the “wisdom” of using this technology to be effective in many ways. But Dan, let’s don’t throw out the baby with the bath water!

  13. Angela L. Says:

    Amen Dan! “Everything in moderation” so to speak. If you can’t use self control don’t start in the first place.

  14. Michael Says:

    Amen, well said.

    The amount of “friends” on Facebook does not necessarily equate to real friends in real life when things get tough. Jesus is infinitely superior to Facebook, Twitter, or anything else. Time spent with Him is better than technology!

    Heading to the beach for the annual family vacation in a couple of weeks. The company laptop will stay home. Can’t wait!

  15. Damon Says:

    You know Dan’s right. Saturday I decided to go out in my homebuilt canoe and do some fishing. In fact I call the canoe Mingrev’s Refuge. It was hot, but drifting along helped clear my mind. Sitting in front of the computer I often feel chained and locked in and my mind doesn’t have the freedom to wonder. A creative mind needs lots of free time.

    In fact my best writing is done when I’m siting out in the front yard with pencil and paper, no computer, no Microsoft Office, no Open Office or anything technological. Sometimes old school runs true.

  16. Cindy Fairris Says:

    Dan, I completely agree. I’ve started using these social sites, and the thing that stands out to me the most is that my creative energy and time are being wasted by spending so much time on them. I stay in information overload! To me, it’s like being in a virtual rat race. I know these sites have a purpose and can be useful, but I’m really not interested in the fact that someone took their cat to the vet, he “was a good boy”, and they are now back home. I would much rather spend my time doing things like writing creative articles and submitting them to different publications.

  17. Kathy Says:

    Well said Dan. Each of these media are tools, but just like any tool, they have a time and a place. If I spent my day with the Tweet Deck open all day I would never get a thing done. Organize and prioritize-then learn to turn it all off and enjoy the things that mean the most.

  18. Charlie Says:

    The unibomber was absolutely wrong in what he did, but he may have had a glimps of the truth. The more we become committed to I.T. the less we think we need people. As a pastor I deal with people who mistakenly believe that information is the same as or has replaced life changing relationships. If you NEED, for your emotional well being, your cell, computer blackberry etc. you are an emotional cripple. Next year for lent lets all go Amish.

  19. Ken Says:

    Who is Ashton Kutcher? I guess I haven’t been watching enough TV… Or maybe I am not a twit! 😉

    Oh well, I think I will still survive.

  20. Darrell Says:

    Amen! Finally the core issue has been articulated clearly. The “information overload” issue has bugged me for a long time. For years I have recognized problems with allowing others to have unlimited communication access – through multiple methods: home phone, office phone, cell phone, voice mail (on each of the three phones), fax (nearly extinct now), e-mail at home, e-mail on the office PC, e-mail everywhere (the Blackberry), texting, instant messaging, face book, on and on. The loss of productivity in the work place due to constant interruptions, the distraction of e-mails during meetings while others were trying to make a presentation, the obsession of “texting” constantly to others instead of interacting with “real people” who are all around you – are just a few of the things that I have observed. Clearly there are tremendous benefits from technology, but we must recognize the unintended consequences of embracing every new device, website, or communication method that comes out. God’s Word clearly tells us the value of wisdom and the importance of seeking wisdom:
    Proverbs 3:13-15 (New International Version)
    13 Blessed is the man who finds wisdom, the man who gains understanding, 14 for she is more profitable than silver and yields better returns than gold. 15 She is more precious than rubies; nothing you desire can compare with her.
    So, far beyond the issues of productivity loss, inconsiderate behavior, and the risk of traffic accidents, a much bigger issue is at risk – the lack of wisdom!
    Well said Dan!

  21. Donna Kay Says:

    So very well put Dan. I work in educational technology and the tools available to teachers and students are awesome; however, we sometimes get so wrapped up in the tool that we forgot the purpose it was supposed to serve in the first place. I would love to share your article with some folks who I think would appreciate it! I’ll send them a link to your site! 🙂

  22. Hope Says:

    2,350,313 Million Followers per day for Ashton Kutcher as of this morning! 🙂
    Unbelievable! He really has become the spokesperson for Twitter and he doesn’t even get paid. Apparently it started off as just a game for him….simple fun.
    Wow, the power of charismatic charm and good looks…

  23. Glen Says:

    Some thoughts:

    1. Nothing meaningful can really be said in 160 characters, beyond yes, no, etc. Especially new ideas or obervations of new patterns. That’s why I love the Web, blogs, but really can’t stand Twitter.
    2. I hardly get on Twitter now because I originally subscribed to Time and WFAA (Dallas News Radio) and a few others. The problem is that now those things posting 100 times a day each squeeze out anything meaningful that someone (like a friend) might say. I have the same problem with my email with Junk mail. As an alternative, please try Linked-In if you’re in business, much better.
    3. Turning off the TV 2 hours a day. With a busy job, wife, three kids, I’m lucky to get 2 hours of TV a day. More like 30 minutes. I think you’re really saying we just need to turn the TV off, period.
    4. We really really need to clean up our “transaction oriented” culture. In the small town my grandparents grew up in, Mr. Sanders had the men’s clothing store, Mr. Foote had the TV/Radio store (and even fixed them!), Corner Drug was where you went to get a soda and the owners ran the store day to day. You met all of them in church. Buying was as much supporting your friends, neighbors, and community as it was getting something. Now, at Walmart, you’re just a transaction, a number, a sale, and your only reward is the junk that breaks in a few days, or is consumed.
    5. Quiet time. Seriously, I would love to do it. I need to improve on this. I say the prayers in 5-6 min or so in the morning. But when was the last time I opened a Bible outside of church? Weeks, maybe a month?

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  25. Ed Johnson Says:

    There is much wisdom in the article, and the comments.

    We advise clients not to “confuse activity with accomplishment.”
    Also, “wherever you are, be there.”

    The definition of wisdom we often use is “the correct and moral application of intellect & knowledge.

    Thanks for the insight.

  26. Katie Says:

    I think this is one of the best things you’ve written–the ideas and truth behind it are just right. In fact, I think this whole issue of your newsletter is just great.

    Personally, I lead a very quiet life, on purpose–for the very reasons mentioned in your article. I have, however, come to enjoy a limited circle of my friends on Facebook because it allows me to keep in touch. In my work I serve many of these people, but work doesn’t always allow for the occasional chat and catching up on family pictures, etc.

    Balance is the key.

  27. Rita Says:

    I think the Twitter thing has taken narcissism to a whole new level. Who really cares when you’ve gotten up, are in the bathroom or whatever? We spend far too much time in isolation from external human interaction and in self-absorption and cyber relationships. I was talking with my husband the other day about the poor social skills of so many younger people. (As pastors we see this all the time. ) It is my opinion that much of it is due to their constant technology use and lack of face-to-face interaction. How many of the friends that people have on Facebook or elsewhere do they actually know personally and interact with socially?

    Do NOT get me started on the hideous spelling and grammar problems now. I’m a professional editor and I could write a lengthy diatribe on that issue. Much of it is due to IM, texting, and all of the other electronic communications “shorthand”. Spelling, sentence structure and simply conveying an idea in writing has almost gone beyond the ability of many Americans.

  28. Rita Says:

    Anyway, this is a very thoughtful and well written article. I would forward it to many people who need to think this matter through more carefully.

  29. Sheiran Pudifin Says:

    I did not hesitate to read this when I saw the title, because once took a look at someones Twitter page. OMG!

    Amen and amen, Dan!

  30. Donald W Says:

    I’ve found some tweets of value. Again it is choosing who you let teach you (or who you follow) very carefully. I know some think it is a “social” tool for relationships. But I don’t really care to know so many of the “details”. I am interested in people but not their potty habits etc.

    Perhaps it is a sad comentary on our lives. We relate via a computer, PDA or cell phone but rarely face to face. And since the majority of communication (70%, 90%?) is non-verbal, is it any wonder we feel isolated and alone.

    Well said, Dan. Thanks for the blog.

  31. Lori Says:

    I really enjoyed this post! I have no intention of getting on Twitter… I don’t have time for the computer and my cell phone as it is. I can see where it would be of help in some instances, but as someone else just said “all in moderation”. The trouble, as I see it in our society, is the amount of “followers” who are doing it just because someone else is doing it. It is a fad/cult type of mentality that does not serve most people. Lemmings being led off the cliff. Maybe people would get back in touch with what is important and return to common sense if they spent more time in reflection/quiet time.

    I also really agree with Rita:

    # Rita Says:
    June 23, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    “I think the Twitter thing has taken narcissism to a whole new level. Who really cares when you’ve gotten up, are in the bathroom or whatever? We spend far too much time in isolation from external human interaction and in self-absorption and cyber relationships. I was talking with my husband the other day about the poor social skills of so many younger people. (As pastors we see this all the time. ) It is my opinion that much of it is due to their constant technology use and lack of face-to-face interaction. How many of the friends that people have on Facebook or elsewhere do they actually know personally and interact with socially?

    Do NOT get me started on the hideous spelling and grammar problems now. I’m a professional editor and I could write a lengthy diatribe on that issue. Much of it is due to IM, texting, and all of the other electronic communications “shorthand”. Spelling, sentence structure and simply conveying an idea in writing has almost gone beyond the ability of many Americans.”

    Thank you, Dan for a great blog!

  32. Martin Allan Says:

    Twitter seems to be more an active competition to get as many followers as possible whilst Facebook is more friendly & social. I have been on Twitter for about 3 1/2 weeks & have developed a plan for it. I have decided to do something similar for Facebook where I have been on for 13 months. Hve just posted a link to here on both sites & yesterday gave a plug on Twitter so some mutual cross pollination may happen.
    MartinfromOz on both Twitter & Facebook if you want to look me up.

  33. Josh Bulloc Says:

    There was a time in our history where we had to be aware of every noise and sight so that we could survive. If we were not we would have been a meal for another animal. Today we do not have to worry about this but our minds are still trained to easily be distracted. For us to learn and be productive we had to be taught to pay attention, have patience, and manners. With technology we need less and less of these skills. Here are some examples: We do not have to pay attention as much in class because we can look anything up on the internet. We do not have to be patient because the iPhone allows us to buy any app for any interest we have. We are able to avoid thinking and physically experiencing life because we can live vicariously through the TV with all of the available channels. The internet is also giving instance access to very negative things and since it is so easy to reach it can easily take over our lives. Heck, Kevin Miller recently posted an article ( describing being built for comfort not speed that relates to this.
    We need to be aware of the part of ourselves we are catering to and identify the things we are doing that are not in line with our goals. Take a look at the successful people; they had to overcome their natural tendencies and focus unrelentingly on a goal. If they did not they would just be average. Do you want to be average? If not what do you have to overcome in your primitive brain that is holding you back from success?

  34. Barry Says:

    Very well stated, Dan. My children and I had this same converstion last week. While technology is great, I’m trying to get them to also see the beauty of being “disconnected” occasionally. Thanks for the ammunition.

  35. Jeff Says:

    Amen. Recently, my wife and I instituted a “no technology Thursday” That means we turn off the computers, TVs, the wii, etc. I have found this to be a refreshing time with my kids and my wife.

  36. Ted Says:

    I really like those suggestions for increasing in wisdom. I am pretty much technology illiterate. I do not carry a cell phone nor do I know how to use one, I do not have the latest software for my computer, and I miss old school naturally aspirated engines without all the computerized gadgets. In fact, I still use an old fashioned dictionary when I cannot spell a word. Spell Checker sometimes confuses me.

  37. Julieanna aka "noboxes" Says:

    I’ve enjoyed reading everyone’s contributions and perspectives. After being “in a box” for most of my life, I have come to appreciate and value freedom.

    Dan mentioned in his original post, that he was at a funeral where several people were “twittering” and checking emails. He also mentioned his observation that there are those who do this during sermons. Hmmmm…….although I LOVE “Twitter” I would NEVER dream of having any electronic gadget “on” in such a situation or at church, much less “using” them! Even my kids, (who think I am extremely old-fashioned), know better than to let me catch them being disrespectful in God’s house.

    It really comes down to just plain ‘ol common sense. (Sorry Miss Rita) As the Good Book points out in Ecclesiastes 3, there is a time and a place for everything.

    Paradoxically (or perhaps ironically….Miss Rita, I really need your help here), I have met some really wonderful people through local “Tweetups”.

    In my humble opinion, the issue is not really “twitterdom “or” wisdom”, but perhaps, as in all of life, wisdom “in” twitterdom.

  38. Michael Vick Says:

    Don’t aim for success if you want it; just do what you love and believe in, and it will come naturally David Frost…. or…… John 3:16 – For God so loved he world that he gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.!…. You can communicate so much with just a few words! I like twitter. This is the only online social media tool I use because it is fast and easy. And there is some good information being “tweeted” about. I have found some really neat stuff offered up by the people I’m following. And like anywhere else on the internet, there is just an incredible amount of great content out there, like and but……there is equally, if not more, just plan disgusting trash. When I’m on twitter, I sift through the mundane chatter and look for good content that relates my interests and pursuits. Twitter is a good tool for entrepreneurs and small businesses and hopefully can put it to good use when we get our business going. And as Julieanna said, there is a time and a place for everything. I, too, find it disrespectful when people bring there devices into a church and actually use them during service. That’s a bit over the edge. We are there in the presence of God, to pray, worship and commune with Him, not socialize with the world. We need to “disconnect” to “reconnect”.

  39. Jenny H Says:

    I am so impressed at your ability to capture today’s information overload syndrome and its consequences. I do not have ADD, but I sometimes have to log out of my FB, Twitter and email accounts just to follow one thought to its conclusion. It makes me feel like I have ADD!

    On the other hand, I think it’s important to embrace and learn new things, which includes technology. For those of us that venture into techno overdrive, it’s a healthy balance we struggle with. Thank you for your “binging on peanut m&ms” analogy. It’s perfect!

    Part of balance is blending the old and new. I try to: Tune in and tune out of online social networks; make time for real people (the original social networks); ask myself, “am I growing as a result of this information or these relationships?”; embrace new learning everyday; fight for my alone time (it’s that important!); spend time outdoors – in my yard, at a park, in wilderness areas without electricity; reflect on humankind’s roots and on our futures. Teach children to do the same.

    Thanks for the post – it really got me thinking…

  40. Carrie Says:

    I agree with those here who say that Twitter can be a useful tool. It is fantastic for brainstorming ideas–I’ve even seen people launch their dreams with the help of a group.

    Facebook and MySpace…I have pages there but rarely visit them. I get enough socialization on forums and at work. 🙂 But there are some friends and family who keep in touch with me there. My employer is now using FB and Twitter to help our business become more visible and connected to the community.

    I figure these sites are fine in moderation and if they serve a purpose. Same goes for any other technology…if it enhances your life, use it. If it doesn’t, leave it alone.

  41. Norm Says:

    Dan, you hit the nail on the head here. I agree that all the new forms of media and information exchange have their valuable place in our society, but too much of a good thing can be bad to. One of the biggest problems with all this media bombardment is that there is a tremendous amount of misinformation out there. On the internet especially, there is a great amount of anonymity. All you need to get on the Internet is an IP address and a webpage. There is no checking of facts or anything else. Yes I know that if you go to a trusted page such as the American Cancer Society page you should get reputable information. But do a search on cancer and you will get thousands of links to look at. And as far as the TV is concerned do you really think that network news channels are telling you the truth? That is why I personally don’t watch network news, real honest journalism, for the most part, is dead.

  42. Lemuel Lewis Says:

    At a funeral, no less! That is sick. Thank you Dan for speaking on this issue. You are so correct. This is just another example of our moral decay. It takes discipline and focus to grow in a positive and God-like manner. Once again, thank you for keeping us in sight of the real goal.

  43. Nathan Davis Says:

    Have you read “Amusing Ourselves to Death” by Neil Postman. He addresses this directly. I completely agree.

  44. Paul Says:

    My mind just explodes with ideas when I am out on my lawn working by myself with no phone, IPOD etc. I so much enjoy that flow of ideas! Your article helped me realize that the infrequent alone time in my backyard is the only place in my life when/where I am not overstimulated. Thanks!

  45. Cassondra from HotLanta Says:

    I have to agree totally with you on this. We as a society are so out of tune with what really matters. I don’t have myself on facebook nor do I subscribe to twitter and following Ashton K. around. I’d follow someone with wisdom around and Ashton is far from leading to any type of wisdom or knowledge. On several occassions when driving I was behind crazy folks who were actually texting messaging as they were driving. I said a quick prayer for them and got the heck out of their way. That is ridiculous. We as a Nation need to get our act together. Are children are “dumming” themselves down and M-TV is responsible for Dummy of our Nation. Amongst other TV shows.

  46. Mark Says:

    I guess I just got dumber because your blog is just a “Glorified” lengthy Tweet…. haha j/k…. I do agree with you though, I think the environment makes us a little ADD, its kind of like having the remote in your hands and flipping the channel all the time, not settling on a program to get enjoyment from.

  47. Zack Says:

    Pretty cool post. I just came by your blog and wanted to say that I have really enjoyed browsing your posts.

    Any way I’ll be subscribing to your feed and I hope you post again soon!

  48. Robert Frenette Says:

    Dan, I re-posted this on my blog, I hope that’s all right?

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